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ChrisDPG Forum Noob
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| Subject: Swampert OU Pokemon Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:59 pm | |
| SwampertType:Ground/Water Abilities: -------- Water-type moves' power is booted by 50% when hp is at 1/3 or less. Stats | Min- | Min | Max | Max+ | HP 100 | | 341 | 404 | | Atk 110 | 230 | 256 | 319 | 350 | Def 90 | 194 | 216 | 279 | 306 | SpA 85 | 185 | 206 | 269 | 295 | SpD 90 | 194 | 216 | 279 | 306 | Spe 60 | 140 | 156 | 219 | 240 | Choice Specs Swampert ~ AJ29 Swampert @ Choice Specs Modest/Quiet Bulkier EVs: 252 HP/150 Def/ 106 SpAtk Power EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SpAtk Moves ~ HP Grass ~ Surf ~ Ice Beam ~ Earth Power/Earthquake Well, no-one will see it coming. HP Grass has a slight chance of killing an opposing Swampert so if you invest more in SpAtk you can definately OHKO it. (I think about 86-105% it can do) Ice Beam and Surf are obvious moves really as they give more coverage hit Dragons and Grass types that threaten Swampert. Earth Power vs EQ Well you can use it on the Physical side if you want but you might as well get Specs Boost. Earthquake can suprise people again if they know you're Specsed and has 10BP more power than Earth Power. Bulky Phazer ~ ChrisDPG Swampert @ Leftovers Impish EV Set: 252 HP, 200 Def, 56 Sp. Def -Roar -EQ -Waterfall -Toxic This EV spread gives it 404 HP, 292 Defense, and 198 Sp. Defense, keeping this thing going strong at least for a little while. Take this thing out on something trying to set up and roar them away. Stay clear of grass moves as they will definitely make you regret taking this out on it. Roar away something then toxic. If they get a bad matchup against Swampert they will most likely switch out to something else that will meet a toxic greeting. With 256 Atk it can still do some damage, although it won't likely be sweeping anything. Sub-Punch Swampert ~ ChrisDPG Swampert @ Leftovers Careful EV Set: 252 HP, 176 Atk, 80 Def -Substitute -Focus Punch -EQ -Waterfall The base HP stat would make max hp 404, enough to withstand a seismic toss if blissey is stupid enough to stay in. With the lowered speed it can take an attack and then sub, open to focus punch the next turn. There is nothing else to say about this set, except for the fact that you could maybe replace waterfall with toxic for a stall.
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| | | Bosshog Moderator
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| Subject: Re: Swampert OU Pokemon Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:17 am | |
| - ChrisDPG wrote:
SwampertType:Ground/Water Abilities: -------- Water-type moves' power is booted by 50% when hp is at 1/3 or less.
Stats | Min- | Min | Max | Max+ | HP 100 | | 341 | 404 | | Atk 110 | 230 | 256 | 319 | 350 | Def 90 | 194 | 216 | 279 | 306 | SpA 85 | 185 | 206 | 269 | 295 | SpD 90 | 194 | 216 | 279 | 306 | Spe 60 | 140 | 156 | 219 | 240 |
Swampert @ Choice Specs ~ AJ29 Modest/Quiet Bulkier EVs: 252 HP/150 Def/ 106 SpAtk Power EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SpAtk Moves ~ HP Grass ~ Surf ~ Ice Beam ~ Earth Power/Earthquake
Well, no-one will see it coming. HP Grass has a slight chance of killing an opposing Swampert so if you invest more in SpAtk you can definately OHKO it. (I think about 86-105% it can do) Ice Beam and Surf are obvious moves really as they give more coverage hit Dragons and Grass types that threaten Swampert.
Earth Power vs EQ
Well you can use it on the Physical side if you want but you might as well get Specs Boost. Earthquake can suprise people again if they know you're Specsed and has 10BP more power than Earth Power. Full SpAtt Swampert, in my opinion, is very very bad. Yes you have the type coverage but it cant do nearly as much damage as a physical Swampert does. Mix sets are better if you're going to use any special attacks what so ever and even then you don't want to put too many special attack ev's into a set like that since you are going to be taking bigger hits and not dealing the best damage. As for Earthquake it is always the better choice over Earthpower. Bigger damage for a bigger stab move. All in all, i believe a full spatt version of swampert will always lose no matter what. As for the Bulky version, smogon has a good one but it runs more defense ev's. I dont like it anyway. I believe if your going to run a Swampert, you should forget about special attack because you still have amazing coverage and moves to rely on without special attacks. Avalance > Ice Beam Waterfall > Surf Choice Specs = bad. Swamperts Mediocre speed will mean it cant get a single attack off to utilize his special attack boost. Your opponents will know this too and assuming they know how to predict basic attacks, they can send in a pokemon that can resist the attacks or they can just keep it in and say good game and use a grass move. Most Gengar's run Energy Ball now a days so yeah. Just stick with normal spreeds is what i would say in a nutshell. Swampert has made his mark as a great physical attacker and with his very very slow speed, choice specs just wont do it. Mainly because he is stuck in that one move and is forced to switch and the only reason that Choice Band Swampert is just so good is because of the very specific ev spreed needed to run him because he needs to take that hit since they are usually always slower. Best bet with that Swampert is to get a Baton Passer that can pass a speed boost and a nasty plot so he has the speed and the power to back it up. | |
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| Subject: Re: Swampert OU Pokemon Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:51 pm | |
| Yeah. Like I say it's more novelty than anything but it's just being a little creative. | |
| | | george182 Your Getting There
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| Subject: Re: Swampert OU Pokemon Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:09 am | |
| most swamperts go mized so you won't be surprising and physical walls, and you will just be walled to death by special walls. The only advanatge I see is a OHKO with hidden powers, and grass only achieves that on swampert, fire could be useful for forretress scizor, scarm and HP electric for gyrados and water types like starmie.
choice specs metagross is much more threatning and has much more potential to surprise physical walls and intimadators, metagross also has grass knot and can have hidden power electric, metagross also has bas 95 special attack which mkes it easy to pull off an effective specs set.
something like this:
Physchic/ flash cannon Hidden power fire/ electric/ ice Grass Knot/ icy wind/ signal beam Explosion/ trick | |
| | | Jude Common Poster
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| Subject: Re: Swampert OU Pokemon Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:24 pm | |
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| | | ChrisDPG Forum Noob
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| Subject: Re: Swampert OU Pokemon Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:28 am | |
| - Bosshog wrote:
- ChrisDPG wrote:
SwampertType:Ground/Water Abilities: -------- Water-type moves' power is booted by 50% when hp is at 1/3 or less.
Stats | Min- | Min | Max | Max+ | HP 100 | | 341 | 404 | | Atk 110 | 230 | 256 | 319 | 350 | Def 90 | 194 | 216 | 279 | 306 | SpA 85 | 185 | 206 | 269 | 295 | SpD 90 | 194 | 216 | 279 | 306 | Spe 60 | 140 | 156 | 219 | 240 |
Swampert @ Choice Specs ~ AJ29 Modest/Quiet Bulkier EVs: 252 HP/150 Def/ 106 SpAtk Power EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SpAtk Moves ~ HP Grass ~ Surf ~ Ice Beam ~ Earth Power/Earthquake
Well, no-one will see it coming. HP Grass has a slight chance of killing an opposing Swampert so if you invest more in SpAtk you can definately OHKO it. (I think about 86-105% it can do) Ice Beam and Surf are obvious moves really as they give more coverage hit Dragons and Grass types that threaten Swampert.
Earth Power vs EQ
Well you can use it on the Physical side if you want but you might as well get Specs Boost. Earthquake can suprise people again if they know you're Specsed and has 10BP more power than Earth Power. Full SpAtt Swampert, in my opinion, is very very bad. Yes you have the type coverage but it cant do nearly as much damage as a physical Swampert does. Mix sets are better if you're going to use any special attacks what so ever and even then you don't want to put too many special attack ev's into a set like that since you are going to be taking bigger hits and not dealing the best damage. As for Earthquake it is always the better choice over Earthpower. Bigger damage for a bigger stab move. All in all, i believe a full spatt version of swampert will always lose no matter what.
As for the Bulky version, smogon has a good one but it runs more defense ev's. I dont like it anyway. I believe if your going to run a Swampert, you should forget about special attack because you still have amazing coverage and moves to rely on without special attacks. Avalance > Ice Beam Waterfall > Surf
Choice Specs = bad. Swamperts Mediocre speed will mean it cant get a single attack off to utilize his special attack boost. Your opponents will know this too and assuming they know how to predict basic attacks, they can send in a pokemon that can resist the attacks or they can just keep it in and say good game and use a grass move. Most Gengar's run Energy Ball now a days so yeah.
Just stick with normal spreeds is what i would say in a nutshell. Swampert has made his mark as a great physical attacker and with his very very slow speed, choice specs just wont do it. Mainly because he is stuck in that one move and is forced to switch and the only reason that Choice Band Swampert is just so good is because of the very specific ev spreed needed to run him because he needs to take that hit since they are usually always slower.
Best bet with that Swampert is to get a Baton Passer that can pass a speed boost and a nasty plot so he has the speed and the power to back it up. Yuh, ya know you can just post another set instead of going through every "flaw" in a set. I don't think it is needed, so please just make a new stategy. Each strategy has its own creativeness that is useful in different situations. A small suggestion is okay but ripping apart a set is not. New set added. | |
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